昨 日 電 影 館
Make Love Not War
The only thing that separates those two was a coin flip.
ZIMBARDO, 2015
The Lucifer Effect raises a fundamental question about the nature of human nature: How is it possible for ordinary, average, even good people to become perpetrators of evil?
how far this thing could go.
斯坦福大学心理学教授Zimbardo(Billy Crudup饰)试图理解成为囚犯或监狱看守会导致什么样的心理。于是趁着暑期将至,以每天15美元的费用,向社会征集自愿参与实验者,体验监狱中的生活。
I really felt that I was losing my identity, and it was a prison to me. I don't look at it as an experiment or a simulation at all. It was a prison that was run by psychologists instead of by the state.
所有的不公平都在硬币落于桌面那一刻开始
所有的谎言也从公布结果那一刻拉开序幕
I said to myself at the beginning of the first day, 'this could be a very long, very boring experiment.' Uh, it wasn't conceivable. There was just no strong sense of precedent for how far this thing could go.
We have become part of this experiment, whether we like it or not, and frankly, i don't even think that we can call this an experiment anymore.
意识到无法越狱的8612陷入绝望,接近奔溃的他和“看守们”发生了身体上的直接对抗。实验记录者们依然没有参与制止,这种默认和不作为,无意中已经赋予了看守们无限的权利。 未曾因用刑收到任何责难的看守们变本加厉,让犯人在水桶中解决大小便,更是把水桶放在犯人们吃饭的桌子旁边。他们从未归还收走的床,让犯人们蜷缩在狭小的空间中。
Your prison? Oh, my god. You are so in over your head. Those are not prisoners. Those are not subjects. They're not students. Those are boys, Phil. Those are boys, and you are harming them. You need to fix this.
It's easy for you to say, 'oh, I wouldn't have acted that way.' But you don't know. That's the truth. You don't know. And now, I know what I'm capable of, and it hurts. l don't know how else to say it, but it does hurt me to know that.
电影中的人在实验结束之后散场,观影的人却积压了一腔莫名的愤怒无处发泄。令人感到难过的是,这部电影改编于人类心理学史上最具争议的心理学实验。因实验发起者本人Zimbardo也参与了这部电影的创作,翻译了一段对他的采访,有兴趣的可以看下去。听听这位心理学教授,多年之后,如何看待当初那个富有争议的实验。
You had been receiving scripts and been approached by actors for about 35 years until this adaptation came along?
What about this project made it different compared to previous efforts?
What were some of those dramatic events that couldn’t be added?
This movie is going to reach an entirely new audience than your documentary. What is the take away message?
It is a very powerful film. I can only imagine what you might feel as you’re watching yourself on screen played by Billy Crudup.
Forty-four years later, is there anything you would have changed about the way you went about the experiment?
最重要的是,我感到内疚,扮演监狱管理者是我在这个试验中的一大错误。我应该只做一名客观的实验首席研究员。
一开始的时候,我们说每个人都要扮演一个角色,像David,他是监狱长,CraigHaney做中尉,然后我是监狱管理者。但是后来,我的办公室贴上了那个抬头,我就越来越进入那个角色。所以当我看到犯人反抗的时候,我的反应竟然不是:天呐!我必须得停止这个实验,这些孩子是在受罪!而是我的职责是什么?再找一个囚犯代替者。
与其说这是一场探究监狱对人性影响的实验,不如说是一次权利对人性的腐蚀。在没有约束的环境中,自我形象在权利驱使下无限放大,以致受到一丁点的反抗时,受伤的自尊就会在愤怒中灼伤。就像全力爱一个人时,也给予了那个人无限的权利,所以总在爱中受到伤害。这刀光剑影的世间,保留一份善良的底线,不用全力爱一个人,但在良心的监视下倔强生活。
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